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ROAD FLARES!!!!  

I knew there was something else I was missing!! I also keep a box of plain brillopads in my pack also, GREAT fire starters.

THANKS monkeyman

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Free Men Do Not Ask Permission To Bear Arms

I've actually been thinking about a switch. Keeping the 10/22 at home with the BOB, and putting an old bolt action Marlin 880 in the truck with the GHB. I've had it for 15-20 years, and it has been completely dependable. Not as fast (or fun) to shoot, but solid. My biggest concern was the effect of temperature changes. It's a wood stock with a blued barrel, whereas the Ruger is the synthetic stock with the stainless barrel.

Any thoughts?

(wing-nuts? around here?) 

My 10/22 has the polymer stock w/stainless folding arm, the gun is also stainless. I'm not sure I would keep a blued finished and wood stocked weapon inside a locked vehicle all the time, my folding Henry is blued and does get a "twinge" of rust if I don't take it out quite often and oil her down, I don't have to worry with the Ruger so that is what I am using now.

If you have to have wing-nuts at-least use the stainless ones!!     

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Free Men Do Not Ask Permission To Bear Arms

That's exactly why I've been keeping that one in the car. When I'm at work the parking lot is manned, so my car isn't as good of a target during the day. But when I'm out running errands, I do think about the possibility. I've had cars broken into twice, both in unmanned lots where I've parked for work in the past.

KYredneck, yup, the road flairs work great and multi purpose.  Back up light source, signaling, and have used one to start a fire with logs pulled from the lake and no kindeling before while in the rain, figure if it got that going its SURE to start any reasonable fire in poor conditions.

  I would say what to take along in a vehicle as far as a firearm depends a lot on personal situation and plans.  If you plan to bug in and work and spend most of your time within say 20-30 miles of home in a fairly rural area then a sidearm for petential threats should be plenty especialy if you have 2-4 days food in you get home pack.  If on the other hand you are working 100 miles from home and to get home would have to skirt a large metro area and take a week or more to walk home throuh zombie country then you need to be able to get food and also have more likelyhood of needing a rifle for defense so an SKS or some such may be a great option.  If you would be doing the longshot option and trying to make it home across the country say 1k miles or more (like my likelyhood if SHTF when I was at work) then you go slow and invisible to avoid any confrontation or contact not seriously scouted to have any chance so stealth and ability to carry a large amount of ammo (to feed you for a few months and kep heads down while you run like hell if needed) so the 10/22 with a few bricks of ammo and a few high cap mags fits the bill pretty well then trying to avoid hunting (gun fire even for game draws attention) and tend more to trapping only useing the rifle for food oprotunities to good to pass up or in desperation.

  Thats also a big part of why I have just a REAL basic kit packed up with extra room and all the other stuff to fill it out.  Makes it so that if I have to leave the truck and hoof it then I can taylor the pack to the situation.  Just what works best for MY situation and life style since a 20 mile hike home will require different gear that ifits 1200 miles.

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Do what thy manhood bids thee do, from none but self expect applause...

+ 1 on that, my longer distance away from home gun is my M590, holds 9 rounds of  2 3/4" or 6 rounds 3" also depending on the situation between 00Buck or low brass #6's and a 50 round bandaleiro , but I will go nowhere without my 10/22 folded w/ 4 extra rotary mags loaded and a brick of 22lr Yellow Jackets. Also my CCW is my S&W 1911PD in .45 of course, and w/ spare mag that I ALWAYS have on me. I have always kept a folding fishing outfit w/ me in my kit I have more faith in my catching fish than trapping, you can pretty much find a body of water or stream about anywhere, and I only use braided line because of it's strength for other chores such as trapping.     

 

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Free Men Do Not Ask Permission To Bear Arms

  I dont really go so much with the pole and such for fishing.  I figure with that meathod I have basicly 1 hook in the water and its only there while I am.  I cary a roll of tarred nylon cord (or 3) and a couple dozen hooks so can set a trout line and/or limb lines and let them fish for me with a couple dozen hooks if I want while I set up a camp for the night or sleep or whatever.  I can also (in an emergency/survival situation) take a few small treble hooks and set up on tree limbs with some chewed up seeds/nuts on them and catch squirles with them.  Then I carry a gill net to catch the fish even if they arent biteing.  I also do dead falls (great, reliable and easy meathods in 'Naked into the Wilderness' by John and Geri McPhearson who teach survival to the instructors from the SERE school that train our special fources in survival, I was luckey enouph to also get a bit of private tutalage when working on a project with them for the History Channel) and locking cable snares.  The net and a dozen snares only take a similar amount of space and weight to a colapsable rod and a real and to me its a better use of the space and weight if Im hungry but may be different for others.

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Do what thy manhood bids thee do, from none but self expect applause...

I have a question about storing firearms in your bug out kit.  Which gun would you suggest?

I'm in a urban setting.  I envision a earthquake and having to walk 20 miles home through alot of people who you saw during the riots of LAin the 90's.

Also, and this is important.  How do you store ammo without it cooking off.  I am in 100 degree heat for a god portion of the year.  That seems to be a warning sign for me NOT to store ammo in a car.

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"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses
both." --Dwight D. Eisenhower

For those of you a long way from home 500 or more I suggest you learn to fly a single eng aircraft.  and check out the location af small pvt fields.  My self I always planned on borrowing a plane and flying in general direction of my home.  If I can cover several 100 miles then land on a back road in a few hours beats walking. . Iam talking true SHTF . Even if you don't get a lic, a few hours of solo time  just might save your life.

 I still think a cheap relieable pistol with several mags  in you bag  would be good idea.   Ammo shouldn't cook of at a 100 or so degrees . Other wise our boys in sand box would be ducking all the time.  Saw a lot of ammo in side ACP's in Nam in metal ammo boxes and never saw any cook off unless APC was burning.

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Bersa Thunder,
PPK/S,
1990 Colt Mustang,
380 Kel Tec
380's Rule

"Just say "Lay A Way"

"WWJBD" What Would James Bond Do?

"Hokey religions and plastic glocks are no match for a good 1911 at your side, kid."

michael t:

For those of you a long way from home 500 or more I suggest you learn to fly a single eng aircraft.  and check out the location af small pvt fields.  My self I always planned on borrowing a plane and flying in general direction of my home.  If I can cover several 100 miles then land on a back road in a few hours beats walking. . Iam talking true SHTF . Even if you don't get a lic, a few hours of solo time  just might save your life.

It's hard to envision a true shtf situation in which all aircraft, not just GA, wouldn't be grounded, as they were for weeks after 9/11. "Borrowing" a C-172 (or whatever) and attempting to fly to your "safe" area would be asking for a missile up the tailcone.

I have a Private SEL license, but I haven't flown in over ten years because it got too expensive. I don't know what it costs now to rent a 150 or 172 for training, but with current fuel prices I'll bet it's approaching $200 an hour wet, and that doesn't include the instructor, who would charge - what? - fifty bucks an hour?. FAA says a student pilot needs a minimum of 10 hours before solo, and realistically most students take longer. That's well over two grand before the instructor is willing to risk his license to let a student go up alone.

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For me, a small handgun with a couple mags and a box of extra ammo would be a good choice for urban travel.  Easy to conceal and works to put off the bad guys.  For suburban and rural, I would want a rifle of some sort that is easily concealed and can reach out a couple hundred yards if needed.  The .22lr will do it, if it's a shooter with good ammo, but their are .223 rifles that fold into a short package.  Namely, the Kel-Tec SU-16 series of rifles. 

A 150 or 172 type flying close to the earth ain't really going to be noticed and I think in that type of sitution Military be to busy  to notice  unless you were flyng near a large city. .

I would considder Cobra type aircraft  more a threat than any jet . Iam waiting for the day we have large scale  airel combat between helicopters  .

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Bersa Thunder,
PPK/S,
1990 Colt Mustang,
380 Kel Tec
380's Rule

"Just say "Lay A Way"

"WWJBD" What Would James Bond Do?

"Hokey religions and plastic glocks are no match for a good 1911 at your side, kid."

michael t:

A 150 or 172 type flying close to the earth ain't really going to be noticed and I think in that type of sitution Military be to busy  to notice  unless you were flyng near a large city. .

I would considder Cobra type aircraft  more a threat than any jet . Iam waiting for the day we have large scale  airel combat between helicopters.

I agree re choppers, they can fly a lot slower than a Skyhawk, and they can carry missiles and/or mgs. All you gotta do is look at what the DEA and Border Patrol fly. Heck, if they want to they can (and have in the past) take a plane down without firing a shot. If they fly just above you, the downwash will erase your wings' lift, and the ground will rise up and smite thee. :D

 There are several types of flingwings now that can do aerobatics - loops and rolls - so chopper vs chopper air combat is probably not too far in the future.

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Definition of a troll: Anyone who dares express an opinion at odds with mine.

monkeyman:

    When Im working I commonly may be as much as 1200 miles from home so I have a fairly extensive kit and intend to upgrade to a customized (FULLY accurized, folding stock, good scope, 16" barrel) 10/22 to live in the truck full time.  At present It rotates between a stock 10/22, my AK with a side folding stock, a pump 20 ga and a single shot 20 ga for the long gun then I always have my side arm on and usualy a spare 13 round mag in the console.  I keep 2 lighters, a sharpening stone, 3 pocket knives and about 40' of parachute cord and my FS 9 mini on me all the time.  I have a Ford Ranger 4x4 with a camper shell (utility type with no windows) on the back.  I have my core BOB back there that has a couple rolls of cord, large sheet of heavy mil plastic, couple lighters, flint striker, fixed blade knife, first aid kit, locking cable snares, fish hooks for trout lines, small mess kit, bag of rice, seasonings, LED head lamp, spare batteries, 20'x5' gill net that rolls up slightly larger than a soda can, 2 water bottles hanging off it , a copy of John McPhearsons book 'Naked into the Wilderness' for refreshers and entertainment, Gatorade powder mix and a few other odds and ends in a small day pack.  THEN I have the 2 man dome tent, sleeping bag and my 2 foot lockers in there.  One foot locker is my kitchen and has Cup O' Noodles, Ramen Noodles, spices, more utensiles and an asortment of other long storage foods easy to prep or eat cold.  The other foot locker is the 'war chest' and has cleaning kits for my guns, about 250 rounds of 20 ga shells, 1k rounds of .22s, 200 rounds of .380, 200 rounds of 9mm, 4 30 rd AK mags loaded with FMJ and SP alternated, a knife sharpening kit and a few other odds and ends. Then theres a 5 gallon jug of drinking water and a 5 gallon can of gas. Thats just my normal load out, if have a bad feeling or what ever then it generaly gets slightly extended. I figure with the extra stuff in the foot lockers and such I can round out the BOB to the situation if its needed.

Do you drive a moving van to work, I don't think my suburban could carry all than unless I took out all but the driver's seat?

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I sold the remainder of my guns that weren't stolen

Never threaten, it spoils the surprise

I have a get home bag in my truck with enough supplies to last for 2-3 days . On top of my bottled water I also carry a 1 gal jug of water that I have added unsented clorox to to keep it fresh( it gets changed out every month ) I have my Thunder 380 with me and a small butpack with extra ammo in it . I also have a single shot 12 ga. with the barrel cut to 20 in. ( fed law is 18 in ) with a sling mounted on it and 25 shells for it . The reason that I picked the shotgun is that it is short and very intimadating . I have about 15 - 18 miles from where I work to my home and it is country roads . I also have a frs radio that we have a preset chanel so when I get close to the house I can call in so I don't get shot.

Spot

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"When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend.
- U.S. Marine Corps