FBI might use profiling in terror investigations

Critics worry the change would single out Muslims, Arabs or other groups 

Do you remember?

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40.

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

3. In 1979, the USembassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

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FBI might use profiling in terror investigations

Critics worry the change would single out Muslims, Arabs or other groups 

Dah! isn't that what profiling means, singling out the behavior of certain individuals? I mean if we were all the same would there be a need for it? and after all who is committing all the terror acts these days?

Jeff

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Disclaimer:  This is opinion, based on research.  I am not, nor do I claim to speak for LEO.  I am just basing this on what I have learned.

I took a class last semester, "Intro to Moral Issues."  We covered this topic in a debate.  I was assigned to be on the "yes" side that it was okay.  The class was mixed about 60% white, 40% other.  Of the 5 people assigned to be on our side, only two of us showed up for class that day willing to even debate.  Needless to say, we lost horribly.  Not because our arguement was not sound but because people look at the abuses of racism and associate them with profiling. 

The act of profiling involves looking for probabilities within a group.  It is one tool among others that police can use to investigate crimes that have been commited.  Other professional groups use profiling also.  Insurance companies do it, charging younger drivers and those that live in bad areas more money on their premiums.  Doctors do it in trying to find likely causes for illnesses.  Marketing and Advertising people make their living off of knowing how to target their products to the people most likely looking for them.

The problem that most people associate with profiling is that some people are racists and in positions of authority target certain ethinic groups and abuse their power.  That is a problem not related to profiling, but of racism itself.   

Racial profiling is often used in an effort for doing pro-active policework.  LEO are accused of not doing their jobs in protecting citizens in an area.  They are charged with the responsibility of trying to and reduce crime in an area.  They use all of the tools available to them.  Profiling the pattern of crimes includes many things, not just race.  The profile developed from the history of crime in the area often points to one problem type of offender and a common type of crime.  This is when people start screaming about racism.  Unfortunately if the statistics in an area support the profile, then the problem isn't in the policework that was done, but the bigger problem of the area itself having a breakdown of community.

Now before anyone gets their knickers in knots, I know that statistics can be skewed to support most anything.  But from the research that I did in preparing for the debate, it is difficult to skew the facts of who was arrested and what they were charged with. 

So I base my opinion that racial profile is justified not on a list that spans 34 years and only includes 13 crimes but research and reality. 

<stepping off soapbox>

Kimi

 

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I dont know who coined the phrase...(racial profiling ) but i think it`s stupid . Several years ago an 83 year old lady was mugged beaten robbed and thrown to the ground ,  When the police was summoned the discription was givenas follows   A 20 or 21 year old black man pushed beat and robbed her .  she said she thought that it may be a college student because it was near a park where they use it as a short cut to downtown .  The police went to the college and asked for names and photos for identification pourposes ...THE RESULT WAS A BIG INVESTIGATION INTO RACIAL PROFILING...all hogwash .  who else would you look for if you say a black person did it ...a chinaman ???

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Our PC leanings over the past 20 to 30 years has gotten our (sadly misguided) public opinion to the point that fear of offending an ethnic or racial group has left our LEO's and military's hands effectively tied behind their backs, while it is their charge to defend our nation.

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO WAKE UP, LIBS?  WHEN THE BOMB IS DROPPED ON YOUR HOUSE?   Oops....too late.

Excellent commentary, Kmi.  No, Mason, the tin hat doesn't stop uranium radiation (only plutonium and alien frequencies).

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Umm, I don't know if this is connected to what I heard on the news this morning when at the tire shop getting a repair done, but according to the broadcaster, the justice system is going to change the rules about profiling American citizens in determining if they qualify as terror suspects.  They didn't say anything about Muslims, Blacks, Mexican, Chinese or any other race, only that they were going to start profiling citizens. 

Now, for sake of argument, what citizens do you all feel they will be putting on the list first?  People of color, certain ethnic and racial groups, or gun owners?  I already know how I answer that one and I believe that every American needs to be concerned about this turn of events.

They never stopped profiling, it's their job. All you need to do is drop the "racial" part.

When you profile, you narrow the search and increase the odds of finding the BG. or whoever it is your looking for. Can anyone stand here and tell me that marketing people don't profile.

Profiling:

Age

Education

Income

color of skin

color of hair

Tall

Short

Thin

Heavy .....and on and on and on

If you ever went to a horse track and studied (handicapped) the horses, your profiling to increase your odds of betting on the winning horse.

RT

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I think racial profiling is fantastic and should be used to the maximum any time needed. When you live in a neighborhood or country that has many nationalities,(too many) it should be the first tool used in any way, shape, or form.  Navet

Many of you seem to be stuck on the word "racial", it won't be limited to race.  The FBI will profile anyone, without any evidence of a crime, just for what they think you might do, and open up an investgation.  Do any of you shoot blackpowder or reload, you buy powder, you may be a bomb maker.  We all like to shoot, they may profil those who go to gun ranges more often than they think we should.  There are many more examples but it boils down to more of our rights taken away for the "PUBLIC GOOD".

I recently heard a quote, the authors name excapes me now.

 

"Facism will come wraped in the flag and carrying a cross."

WJC:

Many of you seem to be stuck on the word "racial", it won't be limited to race.  The FBI will profile anyone, without any evidence of a crime, just for what they think you might do, and open up an investgation.  Do any of you shoot blackpowder or reload, you buy powder, you may be a bomb maker.  We all like to shoot, they may profil those who go to gun ranges more often than they think we should.  There are many more examples but it boils down to more of our rights taken away for the "PUBLIC GOOD".

I recently heard a quote, the authors name excapes me now.

 

"Facism will come wraped in the flag and carrying a cross."

The FBI will abuse this power just as they have all the other so called tools to fight terrorist .  It will be just another lost of you freedom in name of Fighting terrorist  . Mean while the borders are still wide open and  we don't know who crossing.

What if they decide BT is really a terrorist board and ALL members are terrorist.  We have a Constitution  Like it or not it must be followed. The Washington Gang are slowly  doing away with it in name of fighting terrorist.  You all so happy with the SCOTUS last week  But will stand buy and let this stuff go by.

  Remember  in this game you ask for a lot  then you settle for maybe 1/2 . Then you come right back and do it again.  You will get what you want in the end and people won't even relize  they were had. Short memoroy,lacl of interest   and  little media coverage  = your lose of freedom .  Against the Consitution . Why we repealed that last year . Was in the paper under personals.  . 

This must be stopped write the Washington Gang and say enough is enough  Its a Election year.

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Thumbs up and handshakes to WJC and micheal t.  We must maintain all our rights if we hope to have any at all.

 

Please note that the list above could be changed to this:

In 1963 President Kennedy was killed by a Christian American with a mail order rifle.

In 1968 MLK was assasinated by an American with an unregistered rifle.

An attempt was made on Pres. Ford by two Christian Americans with handguns.

Pres. Regean was shot by a Christian American with a handgun.

John Lennon was killed by a Christian American with a handgun.

Colombine---see above.

Tim McVeigh?  Oklahoma city? Guess what?  White American Christian gun show devotee with homade bomb.

So, you gonna profile Christians, Americans, or gun owners?

etc, etc.    OR:

in the last 7 years---Less than 7000 Americans have been killed by terrorists.

Over 250,000 Americans have been killed by Americans with guns.

Over 150,000 Americans have been killed by drunk American drivers.

Someone with an agenda could come up with all kinds of conclusions there.  Only thing I will say is way too many drunk drivers.

CaptFred:

Thumbs up and handshakes to WJC and micheal t.  We must maintain all our rights if we hope to have any at all.

 

Please note that the list above could be changed to this:

In 1963 President Kennedy was killed by a Christian American with a mail order rifle.

 

Well, , I am not sure of the facts of the other's raised, but Oswald was against religion, unless you are talking about the others on the grassy knoll.

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