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Under the post "lot of cleaners to chose from" Bullwinkle gave an article that mentioned chlorinated ester and that it can be extreamly damaging to metal.   http://www.grantcunningham.com/lubricants101.html 

What do you guys know about this additive.  Is it very common.  and if it truely is as harmfull as the author claims, what products do you guys know that contains this junk so that we can all avoid it like the plague.  Every one wants a smooth working gun, but we don't want it to fall apart on us because of the grease we are useing. 

The author writes that it is common in "miracle lubes".  I am useing a product called slide glide specificaly, great stuff, smooths out the action of the slide and stays put.  Real "miracle lube" potential hear, but there is the problem.  Does it contain the evil chlorinated esters.  Thanks guys, I was just thinking this could be a watch out post for others ........ if this additive is really as bad or as common as I am led to believe by the author of this article.

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I love Molybdenum disulfide, but be careful it does migrate as he stated. Great for triggers.

In the write up he talks about ATF, I do use it on certain parts.

Take some Brownell's best light gun oil and put a drop on some paper note the red color.  Now take some ATF and do the same note the red color.

Check the smell and viscosity. Watch  how both penetrate 20 lb white paper exactly the same.

Put a drop of each on on a slide of one of your guns. One on the left and one on the right rub in just a little. Inspect both sides 24 hours later. Both will match in every dimension.

 2oz of Brownell's $3.99    2 oz of ATF .43 cents.  I'm not saying Brownell's is botteling ATF, but all signs point to just that.

RC

PS: Don't confuse with Brownells "Friction Defense Gun Oil" here they have added both Teflon and moly the the oil.... (ATF) making it a top end lube.

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Um, who is Ester, and why did you chlorinate her?

Okay, I had to read the article, twice, but I found her. I had no idea there was such a thing.  

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p-t-max

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p-t-max:

Um, who is Ester, and why did you chlorinate her?

Okay, I had to read the article, twice, but I found her. I had no idea there was such a thing.  

Thats what I was thinking.  If this guy actually knows what he's talking about, it's a little scary to think you cound potentially be useing a product that can damage your gun like that.  Anybody else have any insight here.

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If you do not know what your rights are, you do not have them.

Chlorinated solvents are bad for you...not just your gun. They make very good degreasers, but there are much safer alternatives. I'd rather substitute a little mechanical action to replace the solvency, than take a chance on a third ear lobe.

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Bersa 380
Glock 19
Beretta 25
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Three isnt that bad... Trust me there are plenty of other things you dont want 3 off. Like x wifes for example.

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Mason:

Three isnt that bad... Trust me there are plenty of other things you dont want 3 off. Like x wifes for example.

Beginer I got 5 and working on six.

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michael t:

Mason:

Three isnt that bad... Trust me there are plenty of other things you dont want 3 off. Like x wifes for example.

Beginer I got 5 and working on six.

LOL. You guys are like serial polygamists.

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p-t-max

I'm no expert, I'm just, well---opinionated!

http://blog648.blogspot.com/

michael t:

Beginer I got 5 and working on six.

 

I know... I know.... They all think I'm so darned cute and adorable and sexy. Its not easy gettin rid of em.... But I'm working on it.. Just give me a little time here!

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Whining is for little girls, babies, mommy’s boys and girly men.
SNIVELING? Now that’s an art form!

FS22
BT380dlx; P3AT; PPK
Beretta 92FS; CX4 Storm
BT45 UC; FS 1911 DLX; Colt M1991A1; DW Bobtail
Taurus 38UL
CZ fnh Modell 27 WWII Luftwaffe issued to Hauptman Jaeduvel
+ old family guns

Esther Williams. She is well chlorinated.

Chlorinated solvents can cause embrittlement issues with titanium given enough time. We always used the non-chlorinated Brakleen (green can) on the clutch cans for that reason. In cleaning your guns it is unlikely you could ever use enough to cause any damage to either the metal in your guns or yourself. Plastic polymers are another story completely. Be careful what you use on your plastic fantastics.
I have spent years elbow deep and breathing nasty chemicals. I still have the proper number of digits and appendages, there may have been some abnormal growth though.

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