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Those with firepower rule those with out . You demand they supply.     Just kidding all you antigunners and obama voters.  Oh I forgot you sit and *** where the gov. Their suppose to take care of us.  While real Americans fix the trouble and get on with life.

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Bersa Thunder,
PPK/S,
1990 Colt Mustang,
380 Kel Tec
380's Rule

"Just say "Lay A Way"

"WWJBD" What Would James Bond Do?

"Hokey religions and plastic glocks are no match for a good 1911 at your side, kid."

Hi GB,
 All that you say is just fine and dandy if you have a truck and money for gas and are a healthy person with no special needs. God Bless You,
Toni

Sounds to me like you aren't familiar with Economics 101.

Sorry for the thread hijack, y'all, but there's a need here that needs filled.

Let's say, for the sake of discussion, that I'm a businessman here in North Texas, and that I've got a warehouse filled with bottled water.  A hurricane has just clobbered the north central Fla coast, and that they do not have sufficient supplies of potable water.  But I've also got buyers here in North Texas for my water.  And I've got investors who insist that whatever I do, I do it at a profit.

So, what do I do?  I could load my water on a truck (which I have to hire, $$$), hire extra staff to distribute the water ($$$), drive to Fla (fuel, $$$), provide housing & food for that extra staff ($$$) and security for that water ($$$ -- remember, the SHTF there).  Chances are, there are contractual obligations pertaining to that water back in Tx, which I'll have to break at a penalty -- that's more $$$.

All that extra overhead has to be paid by somebody.  I'm not going to do it, I've got bills to pay, and I've got investors who insist that I turn a profit for them.  No, the end customers are going to pay it, or I'm not going to load that water on the truck and ship it.

If it turns out that the fine people of Fla are reasonable, they'll welcome the water that I can bring.  And I'll bring it, and I'll sell it.  But, if the people of Fla decide that since I'll be charging considerably more for this water (since I'll have considerably higher costs of doing business) than what it cost pre-storm (all in the name of anti-price gouging) that they'll fine me, or jail me, or otherwise keep me from charging what the market will bear, then I'll just stay home, and so will the water.

So, what is it?  Are you willing to pay more for water that you CAN get, or are you willing to do without?  Those are your only 2 options.

TANSTAAFL -- There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

You say that you need that water?  Pay up.  You won't pay up?  Then too bad, you must not need that water as bad as you say you do -- certainly not bad enough to make it worth my while to go through all of the hassle and extra costs of getting it to you.  Money talks.  Put up or shut up.

When you put in anti-price gouging laws, what you are saying to businesses outside of your immediate area is that when disaster comes, you don't want outside help.  You insist that goods and services be provided at a loss.  Nope, it isn't going to happen.  What will happen instead is that the goods and services that you say that you need won't be there at all.  In other words, the price controls that those laws mandate serve only to create shortages.  Welcome to the Soviet state, or to the gas lines we had back in the '70s.

Ok, let's take the plight of the poor whos cause you champion.  You claim that they won't be able to pay the increased price of goods and services.  So, instead of letting them wait to take advantage of the lower prices to come (which WILL happen, as long as the .gov stays out of it), you'll kill off the incentive for businesses to relocate to your area and do business in the first place.  Never mind that the ones actually paying those higher prices will be those who are more well off and can afford it, and that relief outfits like the ARC will see to it that the genuinely poor who REALLY can't pay won't go hungry or thirsty.  No, you made it so that NOBODY can get the goods and services.  The area never fully recovers, and the residents of the area, ever clueless, wonder why the region went to he.ll in a handbasket and never rebuilt.  Those who can afford to bail out of the area do just that, new businesses don't locate to the area and existing businesses leave, seeking greener, less risky pastures.  The area just got a whole lot poorer, just because the short sighted, clueless poor and the demagogues who take advantage of them got their way and drove business off.

That's the honest truth.  It hurts.  In a way, it is cruel, but then again it is a cruel world.  Too bad.  Appeals to a higher authority, relative individual prosperity, or other's special needs have no bearing on economic reality.  Put up or shut up and do without -- those are your only 2 options.  Or, put another way -- Your lack of preparation does not a crisis for me make.  You made your bed hard by not seeing to your own needs, now go lie in it.  You somehow think that the poor have some inherent right to have goods and services provided to them at a loss.  Nope, it ain't so.  Mana does not fall from heaven in this day and age.  Goods and services are provided by businesses who operate at a profit or they don't operate at all.

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I'm one and the same as gb_in_ga, so add a bit over 900 to my post count...

Well, I agree that legislative price controls contribute to shortages, and that supply and demand influence prices. The market at it's lowest level is composed of buyers, sellers, and merchandise, and it's like a big auction. The seller makes a bid by asking for a price, and buyers bid by paying the price, talking it down, or going somewhere else.

But, anyway, back on topic: the LCP. I think it's ironic but still a distinct possibility that future generations of gun owners may view the Kel-Tec P3AT as a Ruger LCP clone. Especially if Ruger is able to work the bugs out and produce and sell enough of these guns at a low enough price to put Kel-Tec out of business and take over that market. I'm sure they have that in mind.

The high price merchants are able to get for these LCPs is an indication that Ruger has a very legitimate shot at eventually doing just that, putting Kel-Tec out of business. They'll get the bugs worked out, make and sell a gazillion of them at or below the price that Kel-Tec can make them, and eventually Kel-Tec disappears and the P3AT becomes a curious little collector's item. And those who don't know will assume it was the unsuccessful predecessor of the LCP.   

Because little bugs have big bugs that jump on 'em and bite 'em,

And those big bugs have bigger bugs, and so, ad infinitum. 

From a poem I learned in school. Sorry, can't remember the author.

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p-t-max

I'm no expert, I'm just, well---opinionated!

http://blog648.blogspot.com/

gb_in_tx:

Hi GB,
 All that you say is just fine and dandy if you have a truck and money for gas and are a healthy person with no special needs. God Bless You,
Toni

Sounds to me like you aren't familiar with Economics 101.

Sorry for the thread hijack, y'all, but there's a need here that needs filled.

Let's say, for the sake of discussion, that I'm a businessman here in North Texas, and that I've got a warehouse filled with bottled water.  A hurricane has just clobbered the north central Fla coast, and that they do not have sufficient supplies of potable water.  But I've also got buyers here in North Texas for my water.  And I've got investors who insist that whatever I do, I do it at a profit.

So, what do I do?  I could load my water on a truck (which I have to hire, $$$), hire extra staff to distribute the water ($$$), drive to Fla (fuel, $$$), provide housing & food for that extra staff ($$$) and security for that water ($$$ -- remember, the SHTF there).  Chances are, there are contractual obligations pertaining to that water back in Tx, which I'll have to break at a penalty -- that's more $$$.

All that extra overhead has to be paid by somebody.  I'm not going to do it, I've got bills to pay, and I've got investors who insist that I turn a profit for them.  No, the end customers are going to pay it, or I'm not going to load that water on the truck and ship it.

If it turns out that the fine people of Fla are reasonable, they'll welcome the water that I can bring.  And I'll bring it, and I'll sell it.  But, if the people of Fla decide that since I'll be charging considerably more for this water (since I'll have considerably higher costs of doing business) than what it cost pre-storm (all in the name of anti-price gouging) that they'll fine me, or jail me, or otherwise keep me from charging what the market will bear, then I'll just stay home, and so will the water.

So, what is it?  Are you willing to pay more for water that you CAN get, or are you willing to do without?  Those are your only 2 options.

TANSTAAFL -- There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

You say that you need that water?  Pay up.  You won't pay up?  Then too bad, you must not need that water as bad as you say you do -- certainly not bad enough to make it worth my while to go through all of the hassle and extra costs of getting it to you.  Money talks.  Put up or shut up.

When you put in anti-price gouging laws, what you are saying to businesses outside of your immediate area is that when disaster comes, you don't want outside help.  You insist that goods and services be provided at a loss.  Nope, it isn't going to happen.  What will happen instead is that the goods and services that you say that you need won't be there at all.  In other words, the price controls that those laws mandate serve only to create shortages.  Welcome to the Soviet state, or to the gas lines we had back in the '70s.

Ok, let's take the plight of the poor whos cause you champion.  You claim that they won't be able to pay the increased price of goods and services.  So, instead of letting them wait to take advantage of the lower prices to come (which WILL happen, as long as the .gov stays out of it), you'll kill off the incentive for businesses to relocate to your area and do business in the first place.  Never mind that the ones actually paying those higher prices will be those who are more well off and can afford it, and that relief outfits like the ARC will see to it that the genuinely poor who REALLY can't pay won't go hungry or thirsty.  No, you made it so that NOBODY can get the goods and services.  The area never fully recovers, and the residents of the area, ever clueless, wonder why the region went to he.ll in a handbasket and never rebuilt.  Those who can afford to bail out of the area do just that, new businesses don't locate to the area and existing businesses leave, seeking greener, less risky pastures.  The area just got a whole lot poorer, just because the short sighted, clueless poor and the demagogues who take advantage of them got their way and drove business off.

That's the honest truth.  It hurts.  In a way, it is cruel, but then again it is a cruel world.  Too bad.  Appeals to a higher authority, relative individual prosperity, or other's special needs have no bearing on economic reality.  Put up or shut up and do without -- those are your only 2 options.  Or, put another way -- Your lack of preparation does not a crisis for me make.  You made your bed hard by not seeing to your own needs, now go lie in it.  You somehow think that the poor have some inherent right to have goods and services provided to them at a loss.  Nope, it ain't so.  Mana does not fall from heaven in this day and age.  Goods and services are provided by businesses who operate at a profit or they don't operate at all.

Can I write you in for President?

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If all you're goin' on is my confession, forget it, I'm simply not credible. - Dale

parrothead_madness:

Can I write you in for President?

LOL! I think we should find out what the "gb" in gb_in_tx stands for first.   

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p-t-max

I'm no expert, I'm just, well---opinionated!

http://blog648.blogspot.com/

LOL! I think we should find out what the "gb" in gb_in_tx stands for first.

Well, let's just say that it ain't George or Bush, the "G" part is actually my middle name, GWB doesn't live in Wylie and he's in Crawford at a wedding this weekend.  Personally, I've been out digging all day -- preparing the ground for a patio extension.

Back to GWB  --  he's a big government type, and I'm most certainly not.  If I were the boss-man, the bureaucrats would be running scared because I'd be getting rid of most of their phoney baloney jobs, to cite a particular Mel Brooks character.  Blood Sucking Parasites -- that's what they are.

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I'm one and the same as gb_in_ga, so add a bit over 900 to my post count...

gb_in_tx:

Blood Sucking Parasites -- that's what they are.

Hear, hear!!

 

Oh, my gosh, we've hijacked the thread again. Weren't we talking about the LCP? 

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p-t-max

I'm no expert, I'm just, well---opinionated!

http://blog648.blogspot.com/

Oh, my gosh, we've hijacked the thread again. Weren't we talking about the LCP?

Well, at least I apologized for it beforehand.

Back on topic -- I don't like the price they want for the LCPs, but then again the shops are just charging what they feel the market will bear.  I'm not going to pay that much for a KT clone, but apparently there are plenty of folks who will.  That's the marketplace in action, I can't argue with it.  I'll just choose to not participate.

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I'm one and the same as gb_in_ga, so add a bit over 900 to my post count...

LCP going for $299 In Columbus at 2 gun shops.

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Bersa .380cc Nickel
S&W 27
Ruger Mark II Gov.Model
Colt 1903 Pocket .32
Beretta Neo
American Classic II .45
Ruger LCP
Remington 1100
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Hi-Point 995 Carbine

Always carry, Never tell!!


Never argue with an idiot,They'll drag you down to their level.

Welcome  #lock 27   I still think about 298 to high. 

Hope you got think skin Because their are times I go off on the plastic,  give you a gimp leg, less than perfection ,  plastic hi point copies .  Iam trying to be nice .

But owners of the darkside pistol will not be taken aboard the mother ship when the time comes

12 21 2012  .Got to go my cat is talking and I can't listen to her and type.

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Bersa Thunder,
PPK/S,
1990 Colt Mustang,
380 Kel Tec
380's Rule

"Just say "Lay A Way"

"WWJBD" What Would James Bond Do?

"Hokey religions and plastic glocks are no match for a good 1911 at your side, kid."