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I think you're moving away from your original argument/discussion the Vanity Fair article blaming the Bush administration for all of our economic woes...

michael t:

And   OBAMMAMA, HILLARY, OR McCAIN are going to lead us to a better time . Right these 3 and those in Washington are only going to get deeper in your pocket and grow the goverment even bigger with more laws to control you. They know Americans won't revolt because their to interested in Sports TV computers and other  unless things.to pay any attention to whats being done to them,

We will take care of you form birth till death  will make people happy . America has become to lazy and to wrapped up in themselves to change things. 

A few words of wisdom from America's last real president  

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
Ronald Wilson Reagan (1911-2004)

"Man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts."
Ronald Reagan

"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan

"Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other."
Ronald Reagan

A few more tidbits from the Reagan years-

 

"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."
--Ronald Reagan (Republican candidate for president), quoted in the Burlington (Vermont) Free Press, February 15, 1980.  (In reality, the average nuclear reactor generates 30 tons of radioactive waste per year.)

"I know all the bad things that happened in that war.  I was in uniform four years myself."
--President Reagan, in an interview with foreign journalists, April 19, 1985.  ("In costume" is more like it.  Reagan spent World War II making Army training films at Hal Roach Studios in Hollywood.)

"I favor the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and it must be enforced at the point of a bayonet,  if necessary."
--Ronald Reagan, Los Angeles Times, October 20, 1965

"I would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964."
--Ronald Reagan, Los Angeles Times, June 17, 1966

"Because Vietnam was not a declared war, the veterans are not even eligible for the G. I. Bill of Rights with respect to education or anything."
--Ronald Reagan, in Newsweek, April 21, 1980.

We did not--repeat, did not--trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we," Reagan proclaimed in November 1986. Four months later, on March 4, 1987, Reagan admitted in a televised national address, "A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not."
 

The Reagan administration introduced the 1981 Economic Recovery Act by claiming that it would cut taxes by 30 percent, increase defense spending by three-quarters of a trillion dollars, and achieve a balanced budget within three years. Budget director David Stockman admitted in November of 1981 that, "None of us really understands what's going on with all these numbers" and that supply-side economics "was always a Trojan horse to bring down the top rate."

"In the Reagan years, more federal debt was added than in the entire prior history of the United States."
--Richard Darman (Reagan advisor)

" drastic reduction in the deficit...will take place in the fiscal year '82."
--President Reagan, news conference, quoted in The New York Times, March 6, 1981.  (In fiscal 1982, the first full year of Reagan's presidency, the government ran up a record budget deficit of $128 billion.)

Reagan would say that Congress was responsible, because Congress had not slashed spending enough--meaning domestic spending, since Reagan always championed increased military spending.
Reagan chose to ignore the fact that his own Republican Party was in control of the Senate from January 1981 to January 1987, and that Congress actually spent less than what he originally had asked for.

Let's face it, at the Federal level, this country's a mess and has been for a long time.

 

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"Therefore every time you kill a beast of prey, you should feel as though your own bones are being crushed and you are preparing to die with it, laughing in the face of death. That's the attitude of a true hunter."

Shosan - 17th century samurai/monk

MED:

I think you're moving away from your original argument/discussion the Vanity Fair article blaming the Bush administration for all of our economic woes...

It's a common liberal tactic. When someone's on to you, bullsh*t them about something else.

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You trying to screen for communists? Don't worry, we're all cool. - Dale

parrothead_madness:

MED:

I think you're moving away from your original argument/discussion the Vanity Fair article blaming the Bush administration for all of our economic woes...

It's a common liberal tactic. When someone's on to you, bullsh*t them about something else.

 

WTF - I was responding directly to the comment that we are "not in a recession" - Which is absurd and still to the point of the article - While Bush may not have directly caused the recession (which we are most definitely in), his actions have excerbated the situation.  Exactly like H Hoover in '28-'32.

 

Common neocon tactic - use no facts in the argument - quote anecdotes instead.

when did the definition of a recession change? we haven't had at least two consecutive quarters of negative growth. we haven't even had one. we have had positive growth. it may not be sizzling 4.5% we experience last year but it is still growth even if it is at half a point. recession? lol economics 101 tells me that we are not  in one.

so  you talk about facts in an argument, well where are your facts about a recession? don't use mainstream media as your source because they have been telling use since last summer we are in a recession when we never had one single quarter of negative growth.

Roland Bozz:

when did the definition of a recession change? we haven't had at least two consecutive quarters of negative growth. we haven't even had one. we have had positive growth. it may not be sizzling 4.5% we experience last year but it is still growth even if it is at half a point. recession? lol economics 101 tells me that we are not  in one.

so  you talk about facts in an argument, well where are your facts about a recession? don't use mainstream media as your source because they have been telling use since last summer we are in a recession when we never had one single quarter of negative growth.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck and walks like a duck, don't call it an eagle.

markap:

Roland Bozz:

when did the definition of a recession change? we haven't had at least two consecutive quarters of negative growth. we haven't even had one. we have had positive growth. it may not be sizzling 4.5% we experience last year but it is still growth even if it is at half a point. recession? lol economics 101 tells me that we are not  in one.

so  you talk about facts in an argument, well where are your facts about a recession? don't use mainstream media as your source because they have been telling use since last summer we are in a recession when we never had one single quarter of negative growth.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck and walks like a duck, don't call it an eagle.

Don't call it a recession either.

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You trying to screen for communists? Don't worry, we're all cool. - Dale

lol well i am glad you could find facts to back up your arguement

Maybe we're in a recession, maybe not.  Maybe gas and health care costs are gonna run us into poverty, maybe not.  Maybe falling housing prices and the mortgage crisis is a catastrophe, maybe not.  But there's absolutely NOTHING a president or Congress can do about any of those things, not during their terms in office.  When they do get involved, they go for the quick fix and just muck things up worse.  They have to look at long-term solutions, and nobody wants to do that because it won't get them reelected.

I do know one thing - the answer is not bigger government, which is what George Bush has allowed to happen.  And it's not more taxes or wealth redistribution, which is what Obama is promising.  Reagan was right - smaller government and lower taxes mean more money for you 'n' me AND the government.  Money in the hands of business means more jobs, more growth, and more across-the-board income to tax.  The closest thing we can get is McCain, and I'm still not sure about him.

My only consolation is the firm belief that no matter which idiot we elect, we'll get through it.

So you all are receiving your "Economic Stimulus Payment" because things are going so swell that Bush decided to give you a dividend out of all the surplus money generated by the economy? (I don't qualify for one)

I believe it was Greenspan who used the duck phrase when talking about the early days of the Bush I recession.

Wash Post 5/15 - "Department of Commerce reports US food prices spiked the most in 16 years" - guess who was the prez then (hint: GB)

Wash Post - 5/12 - AP Poll - "79% of the country thinks US is in or entering a recession"

Wash Post - 5/12 - AP Poll - "79% of the country thinks US is in or entering a recession"

lol the funny thing about that is the majority of american don't even know the definition of a recessin and are only saying we are in one because that is what they are told on a biased agenda driven media or from 3rd person who get their information from a biased agenda driven media

the majority of americans vote based on an image and slogans not on real issues.

 

using that washington post AP poll doesn't prove anything

food prices spiked, well yea, they tend to do that don't they. infaltion sucks. it is a part of any economy.

Cousin Scootie:

"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."
--Ronald Reagan (Republican candidate for president), quoted in the Burlington (Vermont) Free Press, February 15, 1980.  (In reality, the average nuclear reactor generates 30 tons of radioactive waste per year.)

You lost me on this point...  How are weight and volume the same thing?  This right there is mere progaganda tactic, he said it will fit under a desk, but the quote refutes by saying it generated 30 tons a year.  (weight not volume, now understand he doesn't compare nuclear waste volume to that of traditional coal does he?  because it is substancially less by a factor of nearly a 100).  How many tons fit under a desk?  Last time I checked plutonium was a rather heavy atom so I would think its considerably dense...  I bet Reagan had a big desk.

EDIT: I used the google and 30 tons of plutonium is ~1.37 cubic meters...  I don't know how small your desk is, but that will fit under a desk.

DD

Dallas_Dave:

EDIT: I used the google and 30 tons of plutonium is ~1.37 cubic meters...  I don't know how small your desk is, but that will fit under a desk.

I don't know about you but that gives me great satisfaction.

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You trying to screen for communists? Don't worry, we're all cool. - Dale

parrothead_madness:

I don't know about you but that gives me great satisfaction.

I am an idiot savant. 

Glad to see you think you are qualified to speak what the majority knows.

Things aint good. I dont need no magazine or anybody tellin me other wise. My eyes dont lie. politics and religion topics usally lead to arguments. What accomplishment is that?

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Maybe. But not today........Indiana Jones