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Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

Last post 11-03-2008, 8:44 PM by michael t. 23 replies.
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  •  05-12-2008, 6:44 PM 73137

    Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    http://www.ruger-firearms.com/LCP/

    Check out this site. If you look at the detailed diagram it looks nearly idential and the MSRP is the same at 330 dollars.

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  •  05-12-2008, 6:47 PM 73138 in reply to 73137

    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    Why hell yes!  They employed rocket scientist don't ya know Wink [;)]

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  •  05-12-2008, 7:08 PM 73143 in reply to 73138

    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    The gossip is that Ruger copied a first generation Kel-Tec instead of one of the later generation models, so now they have to work all the bugs out again. Smile [:)]
    p-t-max

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  •  05-12-2008, 7:35 PM 73149 in reply to 73137

    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    No, Ruger knocked UP the Keltec P3at and they had little pistols named Elsie Peas. Urbad legends are hard to contain especially when it involves rocket scientists of any unknown caliber and KTog group members.

    hope this helps,
    toni
  •  05-12-2008, 8:56 PM 73165 in reply to 73149

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    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    pocketauto:
    No, Ruger knocked UP the Keltec P3at and they had little pistols named Elsie Peas.

    Aint that just like a Ruger to say "Trust me little P3AT I'm shootin blanks" Next thing ya know Ruger will be trying to trick little P32 with a candy bar!


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  •  05-12-2008, 11:01 PM 73183 in reply to 73165

    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    Mason:

    Aint that just like a Ruger to say "Trust me little P3AT I'm shootin blanks" Next thing ya know Ruger will be trying to trick little P32 with a candy bar!

    LOL! Sounds like the voice of experience. Stick out tongue [:P]


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  •  05-12-2008, 11:26 PM 73190 in reply to 73183

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    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    Nope not me... I have begged a few times and a couple of the x's may have took pity on occasion..
    Whining is for little girls, babies, mommy’s boys and girly men.
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  •  06-08-2008, 5:59 PM 77411 in reply to 73165

    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    I wonder who casts/machines the slides for Kel-Tec?  I "thought" I heard that Ruger made the slides.  If so, it would already have the dimensions down pat.  If not, perhaps Ruger acquired the rights to the design.  Or just flat out copied it.  It does validate Kel-Tecs design philosophies. Heaven knows most previous Ruger auto designs were big and blocky.

    Better stop now, wouldn't want to upset Michael T.  He gets so passionate when that LCP is mentioned.

    edison

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  •  06-08-2008, 7:29 PM 77448 in reply to 77411

    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    MT is probably too busy trying to figure out who owns the rock in the river over there that the next state wants to claim.

    So, I'll help stir the pot, afterall, I haven't posted anything negative about Glucks or KT in a couple of weeks now.

    This is gonna be looooong

    Two years ago I figured I'd buy a P11 just to have a small 9mm; went to my LGS to buy it but he showed me a SKYY; well after looking and playing with both of the for about an hour the SKYY won because of better finish, better feel, and overall just better IMHO; OH yeah i got the "treatment" whenever i mentioned SKYY, if you know what i mean. A year later and several hundred rounds later, the assembly pin sheared the head off and i had to return it to skyy because there was no way for me to remove it myself. Got in back in about 3 weeks, have put several hundred more rounds thru it and no more problems.

    Jump forward to  about 3 months ago. I figured i'd take the chance and get a P3AT just to have a pocket pistol. Well while waitng for LGS to get one in, I read about the LCP, and figured I'd just wait and get one of them. Wouldn't you know that in my 2 month wait he also got in the P3AT, so once again I got to handle them both side by side for and hour or so.  By now I guess you can tell by my sig whick one I got.

    The LCP is about a 5th generation P3at.  How long KT been making them and still having problems.  In the 2 months I waited for the LCP, Ruger identified 2, 3, or 4 problems from copiying the KT, Guess what, In 3 months time they have addressed those problems and  are now producing a pistol that works right out of the box or bag, just like they should. I know mine is the lastest revision because it has the relief slot cut into the frame  befor it was blued.

    Now, right outta the box with  a box of Monarch 94 gr HP(Green box from Acadamy) 50 rounds  0 problems; went home took it apart and cleaned it. I already have 8-10 boxes of reloaded 380 for my Bersa pimp, so i figured i'd give them a try.  Trouble feeding right off the bat; turns out that although loaded to correct OAL that works fine in the Bersa they were about  .020" to long to feed in the LCP.

    So, I went back and seated 100 of the .020" deeper and whammo= no problems again, woooooohooooo; I'm up to around 400 rounds thru it now and still no problem. It's no any fun to shoot more that 50 rounds at a time, though.

    OK< MT, your turn now, but rember before you start the copycat stories, it's no different that Kimber S&W, Dan Wesson or even the new Firestorm 1911!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Opps, yep it is different, most of those guys are smart enough to PATENT a good thing.


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  •  06-08-2008, 7:39 PM 77453 in reply to 77411

    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    I still don't understand why anyone would want a pistol you can't even grip with all your fingers, Ruger OR Kel-Tec.  They're cute.
  •  06-08-2008, 7:46 PM 77454 in reply to 77453

    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    Because they fit just fine in your pocket!!!!!!!!1
    RUGER LCP
    COBRA Patriot 45acp SS
    Super Comanche 45/410
    SKYY CPX-1 Tu-tone
    Bersa 380 Black/Gold
    Bersa UC45 Matte
    Bersa T9 Hi Cap Nickle
    S & W Mod 37-2
    WASR-10 black
    Mossberg 500
    Howa 1500/243
    Marlin 1894 - 44 Mag
    Plenty reloading Equipt. (To feed them all)


  •  06-08-2008, 7:49 PM 77456 in reply to 77448

    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    The rock belongs to Ky  Sorry buckeye commies . Ky owns the river to high water point on Ohio side  No matter what those looser buckeyes say.  It is our rock and we want it it back . Angry [:@]

    As for the kel Tec rip off   . You still just have a slighty  pimped out Kel Tec. At a higher price.

    So take your pimp pistol get in your yellow  caddie with the leapord seat covers   and go to ohio with rthe rest of the scum suckers.


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  •  08-31-2008, 3:50 PM 93679 in reply to 77456

    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    I agree with danny abear. Guns like the Kel-Tec (and the LCP) and others like them are popular because they are very esasily concealed weapons. And with a .380 cal., it's the only way to go.

    I just love my P3AT. 100 rounds of all makes and this baby eat all of them without a problem.

    Thanks,
    AlleyOop
  •  09-01-2008, 8:24 AM 93785 in reply to 73137

    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    Umm sorry to nitpick but that's Hank Jr.  Otherwise, great post.
  •  09-01-2008, 11:26 AM 93800 in reply to 93785

    Re: Did Ruger knock off the Kel-Tec P-3AT?

    lonestarag:
    Umm sorry to nitpick but that's Hank Jr.  Otherwise, great post.


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