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I can not believe that this happened in our country!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8&NR=1

RT

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Well, I watched both videos and now I'm furious.  

Law enforcement must not be above the law like that. This isn't right. The Constitution means absolutely nothing to these people.

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p-t-max

I'm no expert, I'm just, well---opinionated!

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As of September 1, 2007, such confiscations of weapons during times of emergency are ILLEGAL in Texas.  Again, they're gettin' some things right in Austin.

I think that these measures will be attempted again in the future,but the next time citizens will be fighting back,as History does tend to repeat itself.

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Another thing that made me so furious was to see American soldiers (National Guard) in an American city, fully prepared to engage and fire upon American citizens. Fully prepared to shed American blood. But not in defense of America, or American citizens, or the U.S. Constitution, in keeping with their oath. Just following orders to disarm American citizens, in violation of the 2nd Amendment, and being totally ready to murder anyone who offered resistance. I tell you, I'm so mad I could spit.  

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p-t-max

I'm no expert, I'm just, well---opinionated!

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You know this did happen a few years ago right? That isn't to say you shouldn't be upset, you should, but I did all my gnashing of teeth and letter writing about this time in 2006. Hence, a lot of states passed or attempted to pass laws like Texas did in 2007. (ok so I wasn't the only one to write, they didn't do it because I said so).

This ties in with the thread michael t has going right now, our increasingly military like police departments.
To those who have studied history, this bears a resemblance to a lot of eastern Europe in the early 20th century. Certainly the circumstances are different now but the mindset is the same "The government loves us and will take care of us, let's let them."  "We want change."  Let's socialize the medical system. It's not fair that someone is successful, they must share with the rest. Sound familiar? Have we heard anything like this lately?  I know, this is the choir, I'll shut up now.

The question remains, will the laws that we were able to enact in several states do a lick of good? Not if martial law is imposed.
martial law n : the body of law imposed by the military over civilian affairs (usually in time of war or civil crisis); overrides civil law.Suspension of habeus corpus, of ordinary law and due process of government in a time of military crisis or imminent danger to the state such as invasion or insurrection.

Here is an interesting paper written for Congress that details a few times martial law has been used in the US. Martial Law and National Emergency

Here's what the supreme court said about it (albeit a long time ago):
"Martial law is the will of the commanding officer of an armed force, or of a geographical military department, expressed in time of war within the limits of his military jurisdiction, as necessity demands and prudence dictates, restrained or enlarged by the orders of his military chief, or supreme executive ruler."

Here's what makes it legal,
The US Constitution at Article 1, ¶9 states: "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

So, now what? Vote.  I'm talking about from the ground up. Take an interest in who you vote for on the neighborhood comittee for mailbox beautification ordinance enforcement. These are the people that go on to run for Mayor, Senator, Governor and Congressman.

I'd like to see it work out for our kids, myself.

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here is what I think is going on,the U.N. is trying for a one world goverment.And to do that they have to start disarming every nation on the face of the earth.I also beleive they have tried in a number of countries with their version of gun control,which hasn't exactly worked.They believe if they can take away your right to bear arms which is your right under the 2nd amendment in the U.S.A. The rest of the world will follow.And there you will have a one world goverment for all to live by.I say lets kick the U.N. out of this country and tell them to kiss our all American Asses,And too try taking our guns.

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john h

Talking about politics.  The mayor that did such a terrible job after Katrina was re-elected following the storm.  Apparently the people weren't too upset that he confiscated their weapons.

Info about him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Nagin

 

 

Habeas Corpus is already shelved. Our sitting Pres reserves the right to respect or ignore  ANY individual's right to appeal or due process, including citizens. This assumed right is now going to be inherited by every sitting President untill ....  What's absolutely amazing to me is that only Ron Paul had anything to say about restoring it. Where the H**L is the press on this one? Why are none of the candidates talking about restoring it? This is a fundamental right of free people going back hundreds of years!, and it's already starting to collect dust. Left, Right, Conservative, Liberal, who can successfully argue that it's "outdated" ?   I've always prided myself on stepping out to vote, and I'll continue to do so, but it doesn't seem to make any difference even when my candidate/party wins. Guess it's a private joke among politicos and I'm not in on it.

 

I'm not worried about the UN. They can't even hand out food effectively, let alone occupy a heavily armed country. Unless they get plenty of help from our own armed forces, what country would be dumb enough to send troops here to collect firearms? I'll

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Habeas Corpus is already shelved. Our sitting Pres reserves the right to respect or ignore  ANY individual's right to appeal or due process, including citizens. This assumed right is now going to be inherited by every sitting President untill ....  What's absolutely amazing to me is that only Ron Paul had anything to say about restoring it. Where the H**L is the press on this one? Why are none of the candidates talking about restoring it? This is a fundamental right of free people going back hundreds of years!, and it's already starting to collect dust. Left, Right, Conservative, Liberal, who can successfully argue that it's "outdated" ?   I've always prided myself on stepping out to vote, and I'll continue to do so, but it doesn't seem to make any difference even when my candidate/party wins. Guess it's a private joke among politicos and I'm not in on it.

 

I'm not worried about the UN. They can't even hand out food effectively, let alone occupy a heavily armed country. Unless they get plenty of help from our own armed forces, what country would be dumb enough to send troops here to collect firearms? I'll worry

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"Therefore every time you kill a beast of prey, you should feel as though your own bones are being crushed and you are preparing to die with it, laughing in the face of death. That's the attitude of a true hunter."

Shosan - 17th century samurai/monk

Habeas Corpus is already shelved. Our sitting Pres reserves the right to respect or ignore  ANY individual's right to appeal or due process, including citizens. This assumed right is now going to be inherited by every sitting President untill ....  What's absolutely amazing to me is that only Ron Paul had anything to say about restoring it. Where the H**L is the press on this one? Why are none of the candidates talking about restoring it? This is a fundamental right of free people going back hundreds of years!, and it's already starting to collect dust. Left, Right, Conservative, Liberal, who can successfully argue that it's "outdated" ?   I've always prided myself on stepping out to vote, and I'll continue to do so, but it doesn't seem to make any difference even when my candidate/party wins. Guess it's a private joke among politicos and I'm not in on it.

 

I'm not worried about the UN. They can't even hand out food effectively, let alone occupy a heavily armed country. Unless they get plenty of help from our own armed forces, what country would be dumb enough to send troops here to collect firearms? I'll worry when Halliburton gets the contract to churn out a couple hundred thousand blue helmets. 

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"Therefore every time you kill a beast of prey, you should feel as though your own bones are being crushed and you are preparing to die with it, laughing in the face of death. That's the attitude of a true hunter."

Shosan - 17th century samurai/monk

a lot of countries would america doesn't own america any more time to wake up and smell the coffee as the saying goes troubled times are heading this way

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john h

P-T max,

I was trying to stir it up, yes it was during Katrina several years ago. Where's the outcry?

Did you notice that these LEO'S aren't carrying your dept issued Barnies .38 or a Glock!

RT

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Hi All.  Just back from vacation.  What a great thread.  In case anyone out there has missed it, Jeff Synder of American Handgunner Magazine has put together what I consider to be a landmark series of articles on the subject of defending our Second Ammendment Rights in a way that could actually work.  I have no delusions that I could keep my arms it the face of gang of well equiped thugs (badges or none), but I think we all could by unified non-violent action as Synder outlines.

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http://www.americanhandgunner.com/GunRght1.html

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DET

wow!!!!

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