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hey no need to do any food hoarding  try cattle rustling and grab a few hogs while were at it.been going on now in Southwest Michigan here. a few cows horses pigs and chickens to somebody is trying to corner the market here on that,no sheep yet I guess nobody wants to cook the screwing yet.I'm talking about the sheep humpers out there and they know who they are

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hey no need to do any food hoarding  try cattle rustling and grab a few hogs while were at it.been going on now in Southwest Michigan here. a few cows horses pigs and chickens to somebody is trying to corner the market here on that,no sheep yet I guess nobody wants to cook the screwing yet.I'm talking about the sheep humpers out there and they know who they are

 

Hey all,   lets ignore this joker... no reason to respond to anything the Troll has to say from here on out.

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Will hunt for food, NOW with muzzle loader !

MIKLAW...How do you keep your food supply ...clean  ? dry  ? edible ?

Do you have it in a pantry or a special room ?         I keep some items in my basement up off the floor on wooden shelfs ,but it gets damp down there and some cans get rust marks .   I try to buy in plastic jars  or glass when possible .  But how do you keep bags or cardboard boxs from getting damp and mouldy ?    I have a fan on to circulate the air ,but dont help much .      I thought about storing stuff in plastic storage totes but not sure it`s a good thing .    what do you think about using a de-humidifier ?      really concerned about spoilage and insects .

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Indiana Jeff:

........so how could a person store things such as corn meal, dry goods that if not used fast enough how would you keep from getting mealy bugs? I dont know maybe silly question, store things I guess you can eat quick enough?

Jeff

Sorry Jeff, I missed your question when we got trolled there a bit. Not silly at all, quite good really. You do have to take a little bit of care, but its not expensive or complicated. One good reason to not go buy 200 lbs of rice or flour or whatever in one shot is prepping it for storage. There are lots of ways to do it, from high to low tech. The survival preparedness stores will sell you buckets and mylar liners and all kinds of stuff, it's all good but you don't have to have it. Those work best when you are storing a very large amount of stuff. One way I like to do rice for example, I use a lot of rice so I keep a lot on hand. I will buy a 25lb bag usually, 50 is a lot to deal with all at once. First, with all grain based products I make room for it in my garage freezer. Thats another reason for the reasonable amounts right there, btw. Put it in the freezer for at least 72 hours, I usually go a bit longer just to be safe. This kills all the weevil and other creepies eggs. They are in all grain products, btw.
After freezing I divide it into more manageable amounts. I like to put about 2 1/2 lbs in a vacuum seal bag with an oxygen absorber and vacuum seal it. I put these bags into a 5 gallon pail and put the lid on. This way I can take it out in smaller increments. I use the oldest first and try to stay about a year ahead.
Other people use glass jars they accumulate, do the freeze thing, put a small nugget of dry ice in the bottom of the jar, put the rice or whatever in on top. You then let it sit until the dry ice has evaporated completely in a still room with no fans or anything then put the lids on. The C02 displaces the oxygen and keeps it fresh for much longer. If you do not let the dry ice evaporate completely though they can make nice little bombs, and assuming you don't get hurt, you will be picking rice out of crevices for the next several years. Let it evaporate completely.
I store a lot of things in jars myself too. I recycle jars as well. I have gotten lazy in the last few years and found a spaghetti sauce I like a lot that just so happens to come in a real mason jar. I use an average of three a month, so I get 36 quart jars a year for free too. I only have to buy lids. I keep 3 to 4 cases of the stuff so I can go a year with that too. I freeze my pasta, then put 4 1lb boxes in a vacuum bag and seal, then in a bucket those packs go. I don't have to buy really huge quantities of anything at once, and I never buy anything when it's not on sale. I always look at the best by date on canned goods and buy the farthest out ones I can, I only get the stuff I already use. I have no use for 50 cans of vienna sausages, I would rather eat the neighbors cat so don't get sucked in by what others say you need to store.  My years supply of Spam for the apocalypse is 4 cans.
For just two of you obviously the scale would be different, but the principles the same.

Btw, I find myself using the vacum sealer on all kinds of stuff around the house and in the RV. A pair of wool blend hiking socks sucks down to an incredibly tiny size to drop in the bottom of a hiking bag and has made my day more than once when out for a walk in the woods.

If you (or anyone else) want information on something specific as far as how to store a particular item don't hesitate to ask or send me a PM. I would be happy to answer is I can or send you to someone who can.

I saw a quote recently and I don't know who said it "There is no greater shame than a man who did nothing because he could do so little".
My emphasis is tiny steps can make a big difference down the road, it's not a game of "go big or go home".

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kb2iaw:

MIKLAW...How do you keep your food supply ...clean  ? dry  ? edible ?

I was typing when you posted, see my last post. Yes you do need to have a dry spot. A dehumidifier may help, but rust is bad on a can and the stuff in boxes will be ruined quickly. Jars with o2 absorbers and food grade dessicant packs and vacuum bags will solve most if not all of the dry goods issues.

I haven't done it in a long time, but I used to store things like Rice-a-Roni and other "box" stuff in jars. I started that when I had a weevil outbreak before I learned how to prevent them by freezing and better storage for bulk items. Man they were hard to get rid of.

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If all you're goin' on is my confession, forget it, I'm simply not credible. - Dale

I keep my rice/ canned goods / boxed goods in a dry closet on shelves.  I feed the cat in a room on one side of the closet and litter box in a room on the other side.  I did this because the simple smell of the cat will keep rodents out of the storage area.  I keep some frozen veggies on hand. 

A dehumidifier will help you with the rust issue.

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PM.Are there any brand of oxygen absorbers you find better than others?I am curious since there seem to be many different brands available.

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jc40:

PM.Are there any brand of oxygen absorbers you find better than others?I am curious since there seem to be many different brands available.

Not really. They all seem to work. I bought mine from Emergency Essentials in Salt Lake City, I assume the website will have them too.

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If all you're goin' on is my confession, forget it, I'm simply not credible. - Dale

Great info p_m, would using used absorbers work?  I have a large bottle full of them that I've been saving over the last 6 months.

We store our goods in a heated and insulated garage off of the floor on shelving.  We freeze our rice for 48 hours, but if 72 is better, we'll up the time.  Havn't had any problem with bugs though.  We havn't picked up a vacuum sealer yet.  But may get one here real quick.  I've been picking up Mason jars at garage sales, or whenever I see them on sale and we keep our rice and beans in them.  Might give the bit of dry ice in the bottom of the jar a try.  We lost our freezer recently, along with most of the meat, so am in the market for a chest freezer, which will cure a whole lot of problems for us

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MikLaw:

Great info p_m, would using used absorbers work?  I have a large bottle full of them that I've been saving over the last 6 months.

Um, I don't know?
I'm not sure how much they can absorb, I do know that when I bought them I was told to keep them in a jar with the lid tight and not to let them sit out for very long before you seal yor package, so they may be good they may not. I'll try to find out.

Where did they come from?

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If all you're goin' on is my confession, forget it, I'm simply not credible. - Dale

parrothead_madness:

Indiana Jeff:

........so how could a person store things such as corn meal, dry goods that if not used fast enough how would you keep from getting mealy bugs? I dont know maybe silly question, store things I guess you can eat quick enough?

Jeff

Sorry Jeff, I missed your question when we got trolled there a bit. Not silly at all, quite good really. You do have to take a little bit of care, but its not expensive or complicated. One good reason to not go buy 200 lbs of rice or flour or whatever in one shot is prepping it for storage. There are lots of ways to do it, from high to low tech. The survival preparedness stores will sell you buckets and mylar liners and all kinds of stuff, it's all good but you don't have to have it. Those work best when you are storing a very large amount of stuff. One way I like to do rice for example, I use a lot of rice so I keep a lot on hand. I will buy a 25lb bag usually, 50 is a lot to deal with all at once. First, with all grain based products I make room for it in my garage freezer. Thats another reason for the reasonable amounts right there, btw. Put it in the freezer for at least 72 hours, I usually go a bit longer just to be safe. This kills all the weevil and other creepies eggs. They are in all grain products, btw.
After freezing I divide it into more manageable amounts. I like to put about 2 1/2 lbs in a vacuum seal bag with an oxygen absorber and vacuum seal it. I put these bags into a 5 gallon pail and put the lid on. This way I can take it out in smaller increments. I use the oldest first and try to stay about a year ahead.
Other people use glass jars they accumulate, do the freeze thing, put a small nugget of dry ice in the bottom of the jar, put the rice or whatever in on top. You then let it sit until the dry ice has evaporated completely in a still room with no fans or anything then put the lids on. The C02 displaces the oxygen and keeps it fresh for much longer. If you do not let the dry ice evaporate completely though they can make nice little bombs, and assuming you don't get hurt, you will be picking rice out of crevices for the next several years. Let it evaporate completely.
I store a lot of things in jars myself too. I recycle jars as well. I have gotten lazy in the last few years and found a spaghetti sauce I like a lot that just so happens to come in a real mason jar. I use an average of three a month, so I get 36 quart jars a year for free too. I only have to buy lids. I keep 3 to 4 cases of the stuff so I can go a year with that too. I freeze my pasta, then put 4 1lb boxes in a vacuum bag and seal, then in a bucket those packs go. I don't have to buy really huge quantities of anything at once, and I never buy anything when it's not on sale. I always look at the best by date on canned goods and buy the farthest out ones I can, I only get the stuff I already use. I have no use for 50 cans of vienna sausages, I would rather eat the neighbors cat so don't get sucked in by what others say you need to store.  My years supply of Spam for the apocalypse is 4 cans.
For just two of you obviously the scale would be different, but the principles the same.

Btw, I find myself using the vacum sealer on all kinds of stuff around the house and in the RV. A pair of wool blend hiking socks sucks down to an incredibly tiny size to drop in the bottom of a hiking bag and has made my day more than once when out for a walk in the woods.

If you (or anyone else) want information on something specific as far as how to store a particular item don't hesitate to ask or send me a PM. I would be happy to answer is I can or send you to someone who can.

I saw a quote recently and I don't know who said it "There is no greater shame than a man who did nothing because he could do so little".
My emphasis is tiny steps can make a big difference down the road, it's not a game of "go big or go home".

Thank you p_m for your reply. I appreciate any and all valuable info on storing. I really like the quote you said you saw recently. I have started my survival storage, you are right a little each week can add to a lot.

Thanks again.

Jeff

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what is an oxygen absorber?

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parrothead_madness:

MikLaw:

Great info p_m, would using used absorbers work?  I have a large bottle full of them that I've been saving over the last 6 months.

Um, I don't know?
I'm not sure how much they can absorb, I do know that when I bought them I was told to keep them in a jar with the lid tight and not to let them sit out for very long before you seal yor package, so they may be good they may not. I'll try to find out.

Where did they come from?

Mostly from medicine or vitamin bottles, but also Mtn. house foods and other goods that we buy.  As soon as the package is opened, the wife or I put oxy absorbers into a dark colored glass vitamin bottle w/lid and it stays on a shelf in the closet. 

 

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What do you mean you want my guns?

Old freezers that no longer work make great storage  . Keeps unwanted critters out and  doesn't take up closet space.  Conner and I did this at our last country home.  I thought great idea Least I wasn't going in their  

For you freeze dry people Years back was a king size water bed . You could store a  years supply of freeze dry underneath fake drawers and on  top sides of bed opened to store rifles and shotgun  Was a full wave bed All in one handy place in guest bed room. Might not be the best idea but water beds can still be found at yard sales or dumped at curb. You could mod to fit you needs.

 

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