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I take the 1911 plunge
Last post 07-04-2008, 5:03 PM by AsH. 51 replies.
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06-27-2008, 5:38 PM |
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AsH
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Went and picked up my 1911 this mourning it's a Auto-Ordnance 1911A1. I know...a few years back Auto-Ordnance made some pretty crappy 1911's, They even stopped making them. But in 1999 Thompson arms was bought by Kahr and moved to Worecester, MA and Kahr resumed the 1911A1 under there leadership and quality standards, They decided to keep the Auto-Ordnance name (I think this was a mistake) they should have called it the Kahr 1911A1. I read a couple of good reviews on the Auto-Ordnance 1911 so I decided to give them a try.

I wanted a no frills 1911A1 made in the usa, close to WWII spec.


I like the rollmark.


The finish I think could be better, the finish on the trigger and slide lock are very ruff.
I think i might also have a Problem the part of the slide lock that protrudes into the chamber...Well the end of it looks like a Pebble and when i put the mag in the follower hits against it and the follower is depressed about an 1/8 of an inch into the mag.


I inserted a mag with one round in it and it slightly touches the end of the round , It this normal?
I wanted to take it to the range tomarrow but I think I will wait till I hear back from you guys before I shoot it.
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06-27-2008, 8:11 PM |
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michael t
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
Well you got your GI pistol. Take it apart and clean it oil the thing up real good . Rub outside down with oil also Just enough to protect . Get some ball and go shoot it. Can't tell by picture if slide stop a problem. Auto ord still trying to live down bad rep. The used to love to toss front sight. In fact had one in shop last week for a new front sight. Will likely be a shooter and might even like HP never know
I wouldn't sink a lot of money into it Leave it like it is Remember you wanted a GI pistol
Good shooting
Bersa Thunder, PPK/S, 1990 Colt Mustang, 380 Kel Tec 380's Rule "Just say "Lay A Way" "WWJBD" What Would James Bond Do? "Hokey religions and plastic glocks are no match for a good 1911 at your side, kid."
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06-27-2008, 8:46 PM |
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AsH
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
I guess I'm off to the range tomarrow, see how she shoots.
Does this move me from baggage class?
How the helll you put this thing back togeather....I'll figure it out!
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06-28-2008, 10:05 AM |
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R.Ph. 380
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
Bought mine about 4 months ago. Immediately lost the front sight, replaged with Trijicon haven't looked back. Trigger works in smoother the more you shoot it. Accurate to a fault. Good Shooting and enjoy....
Bill
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06-28-2008, 1:43 PM |
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michael t
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
AsH:
I guess I'm off to the range tomarrow, see how she shoots.
Does this move me from baggage class?
How the helll you put this thing back togeather....I'll figure it out!
Good report back ![Smile [:)]](/emoticons/emotion-1.gif)
Maybe ![Big Smile [:D]](/emoticons/emotion-2.gif)
Direction are all over the internet. Really not hard ![Stick out tongue [:P]](/emoticons/emotion-4.gif)
Bersa Thunder, PPK/S, 1990 Colt Mustang, 380 Kel Tec 380's Rule "Just say "Lay A Way" "WWJBD" What Would James Bond Do? "Hokey religions and plastic glocks are no match for a good 1911 at your side, kid."
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06-28-2008, 1:54 PM |
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Mason
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
AsH:How the helll you put this thing back togeather....I'll figure it out!
No problem AsH way easy.... Little voices guide me even with my eyes closed! You will launch that recoil spring cap.. bet on it! My record is holding at 12 feet.
Whining is for little girls, babies, mommy’s boys and girly men. SNIVELING? Now that’s an art form! BT .45 UC BT .380CC BT .380 dlx P3AT PPK Beretta 92FS FS 1911 DLX Colt M1991A1 DW Bobtail Taurus .38 UL CZ fnh Modell 27 WWII Luftwaffe issued to Hauptman Jaeduvel + old family guns
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06-28-2008, 2:10 PM |
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
Mason:
AsH:How the helll you put this thing back togeather....I'll figure it out!
No problem AsH way easy.... Little voices guide me even with my eyes closed! You will launch that recoil spring cap.. bet on it! My record is holding at 12 feet.
Yeah, especially when it decides to go downrange with everybody watching!! I think I have hit the 15' + mark with a 21 pound spring. AO's definantly a no-frills 1911 hopefully your AO will be better than what I have seen at the range or shot, but it is a good one to learn and tinker with till you graduate to a "better" model just don't get discouraged with it if something goes wrong, and trust me it will at some point and time.
Free Men Do Not Ask Permission To Bear Arms
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06-28-2008, 2:17 PM |
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AsH
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
kyredneck1911: Mason:
Yeah, especially when it decides to go downrange with everybody watching!! I think I have hit the 15' + mark with a 21 pound spring. AO's definantly a no-frills 1911 hopefully your AO will be better than what I have seen at the range or shot, but it is a good one to learn and tinker with till you graduate to a "better" model just don't get discouraged with it if something goes wrong, and trust me it will at some point and time.
You can say that again I already broke it...took back to the gunshop owner is going to call me monday let me know my options are, he was not in today...so much for the range today.
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06-28-2008, 2:47 PM |
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
AsH:You can say that again I already broke it...took back to the gunshop owner is going to call me monday let me know my options are, he was not in today...so much for the range today.
What happened?
If all you're goin' on is my confession, forget it, I'm simply not credible. - Dale
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06-28-2008, 3:25 PM |
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AsH
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
It has to do with the drop safety on the series 80..There is alittle plate with a little arm on the right side of the hamer, that push's up a plunger button that lets the firering pin go forward. I broke off the little arm. Well ..I guess I did anyway, I never forced anything. the side would sometimes bind and would not cycle sometimes. That was when I looked down and saw alittle piece of metal on the table I was working on. Or it was not right to start with I'm just not sure..I never fired it.

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06-28-2008, 4:09 PM |
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
Complete bummer. I love my series 70 just that much more now.
If all you're goin' on is my confession, forget it, I'm simply not credible. - Dale
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06-28-2008, 4:10 PM |
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
Just a little something about the Series 80 safety:
There have been a lot of questions posted by new members and 1911 owners as to what the difference is between Series 70 and Series 80 Colts. This question is best answered by giving the following history:
Colt is the original manufacturer of 1911 pattern pistols, having made versions for both the military as well as commercial market since regular production began in January 1912. The commercial versions were nearly identical to the military ones, differing only in markings and finish. Following World War Two military production ended, but the commercial guns remained in production with only minor changes such as deletion of the lanyard loop and a larger thumb safety shelf. These pistols are known to collectors as "pre-Series 70" guns, as they pre-dated the Series 70 guns introduced in 1971. It was during this year that Colt introduced the first major design change to the Government Model in nearly 50 years. In an attempt to improve the accuracy of production guns the barrel bushing was redesigned, along with the barrel. In this system the bushing utilized four spring-steel "fingers" that gripped the enlarged diameter of the muzzle end of the barrel as the gun returned to battery. By tightening the fit of barrel and bushing in this manner Colt was able to improve the accuracy of the average production gun, without going through the expense of hand fitting the older solid barrel bushing to the barrel and slide. Models using the new barrel/bushing setup were the Government Model and Gold Cup, which were designated the "Mark IV Series 70" or simply Series 70 pistols. It should be noted that the shorter 4 1/4" barreled Commander pistols retained the use of the older solid bushing design and thus were never designated Series 70 pistols, although one hears the term erroneously applied to Commanders from time to time.
The new "collet" bushing (as it came to be known) worked quite well, however it was prone to breakage if the inside diameter of the slide was too small as it caused the fingers to buckle, then later break from the stress of being wedged between the barrel and slide. On pistols with oversized slides the bushing didn't grip well enough, and accuracy suffered. Because of this the collet bushing was eventually phased out sometime around 1988, with the older solid barrel bushing design being reinstated for use in production guns.
The single biggest change to the 1911 design came about in 1983, when Colt introduced the "MK IV Series 80" pistols. These guns incorporated a new firing pin block safety system, where a series of internal levers and a plunger positively blocked the firing pin from moving until the trigger was pressed, thus eliminating the possibility of the gun discharging if dropped onto a hard surface or struck hard. In this instance however, ALL of Colt's 1911-pattern pistols incorporated the new design change so even the Commander and Officer's ACP pistols became known as Series 80 guns. With the previous paragraph in mind, it is important to know that from 1983 until 1988 the early Government Model and Gold Cup Series 80 pistols used the Series 70-type barrel and bushing as well, although they were known only as Series 80 guns.
There was one other design change made to the Series 80 guns as well, and that was a re-designed half-*** notch. On all models the notch was changed to a flat shelf instead of a hook, and it is located where half-*** is engaged just as the hammer begins to be pulled back. This way the half-*** notch will still perform its job of arresting the hammer fall should your thumb slip while manually cocking the pistol, yet there is no longer a hook to possibly break and allow the hammer to fall anyway. With the notch now located near the at-rest position, you can pull the trigger on a Series 80 while at half-*** and the hammer WILL fall. However, since it was already near the at-rest position the hammer movement isn't sufficient to impact the firing pin with any amount of force.
Regarding the "clone" guns (1911-pattern pistols made by manufacturers other than Colt), only Para-Ordinance adopted Colt's Series 80 firing pin block system as well. Kimber's Series II pistols and the new S&W 1911s have a FP safety also, but it is a different system than Colt's and is disabled by depressing the grip safety. No manufacturers aside from Colt ever adopted the Series 70 barrel/bushing arrangement, so technically there are no "Series 70" clone guns. What this means is that design-wise most of them share commonality with the pre-Series 70 guns, using neither the firing pin block NOR the collet bushing. Because of this it is important to remember that only Colt Series 80 models, and a couple of "clone" 1911 makers use a firing pin block. Older Colts and most other clone guns lack a firing pin safety and can possibly discharge if there is a round in the chamber and the gun is dropped on a hard surface, or if struck a blow hard enough to allow the firing pin to jump forward and impact the primer of the loaded round. By the way, Colt has just recently reintroduced new custom pistols lacking the S80 firing pin safety (called the Gunsite models) as well as a reintroduced original-style Series 70 to appeal to purists. Interestingly, the latter uses a solid barrel bushing and Series 80 hammer, so it is somewhat different mechanically than the original Series 70 models.
Regarding the controversy involving getting a decent trigger pull on a Series 80 gun, it is only of importance if the gunsmith attempts to create a super-light pull (under four pounds) for target or competition use. In defense/carry guns where a four-pound or heavier pull is necessary, the added friction of the Series 80 parts adds little or nothing to the pull weight or feel. A good gunsmith can do an excellent trigger job on a Series 80 and still leave all the safety parts in place, although he will probably charge a little more than if the gun were a Series 70 since there are more parts to work with. But any gunsmith who tells you that you can't get a good trigger on a Series 80 without removing the safety parts is likely either lazy or incompetent.
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06-28-2008, 4:31 PM |
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Mason
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
That same saftey "sheer" broke off on my future x wifes Kimber, was so madding.. Yes but happens on the expensive guns too.
Future x wifes Kimber $1000.
Shipping to NY factory $60.00
2 months wating for repair.... Priceless!!!
Whining is for little girls, babies, mommy’s boys and girly men. SNIVELING? Now that’s an art form! BT .45 UC BT .380CC BT .380 dlx P3AT PPK Beretta 92FS FS 1911 DLX Colt M1991A1 DW Bobtail Taurus .38 UL CZ fnh Modell 27 WWII Luftwaffe issued to Hauptman Jaeduvel + old family guns
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06-28-2008, 9:58 PM |
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
AsH: I already broke it
That's what you get for buying American. You should have bought one of those cheap Phillipine Firestorms ![Stick out tongue [:P]](/emoticons/emotion-4.gif) ![Wink [;)]](/emoticons/emotion-5.gif)
Bronson
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06-28-2008, 10:13 PM |
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michael t
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Re: I take the 1911 plunge
Mason:
That same saftey "sheer" broke off on my future x wifes Kimber, was so madding.. Yes but happens on the expensive guns too.
Future x wifes Kimber $1000.
Shipping to NY factory $60.00
2 months wating for repair.... Priceless!!!
No it isn't the same safety You Kimber works off grip safety a totaly different set up.
I didn't know the Auto ordance used the Colt system I will look and see if I can find more on thast I thought they were 70 series pistols. If its a 80 series safety 5 bucks buy the part to do away with it and a few min. work.
Bersa Thunder, PPK/S, 1990 Colt Mustang, 380 Kel Tec 380's Rule "Just say "Lay A Way" "WWJBD" What Would James Bond Do? "Hokey religions and plastic glocks are no match for a good 1911 at your side, kid."
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